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[Aug. 31st, 2003|09:36 am]
Jason
Argh! Will people ever stop confusing correlation and causation? This story implies that scientists have discovered that playing video games makes kids more violent, but in so far as they describe the methodology, it's just asking kids how often they play video games and how violent they are. Isn't it possible that more violently inclined kids play more video games as a relatively healthy substitute for actually beating up their classmates? The experiment described just doesn't say either way; either they have a valid experiment, in which case it's a really significant result and the journalist in question has horribly botched describing it, or else it's a bigger tragedy that even scientists are still making such textbook mistakes.
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[User Picture]From: mrhappypizza
2003-08-31 07:54 am (UTC)

nnngggggBroken Link

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[User Picture]From: jcreed
2003-08-31 09:03 am (UTC)

Re: nnngggggBroken Link

Fixed.
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[User Picture]From: mrhappypizza
2003-08-31 10:06 am (UTC)

Re: nnngggggBroken Link

Then you should delete my comment!
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[User Picture]From: jcreed
2003-08-31 04:50 pm (UTC)

Re: nnngggggBroken Link

That seems impolite.
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[User Picture]From: ssaiscps
2003-08-31 09:09 pm (UTC)

Re: nnngggggBroken Link

Yeah, one can delete one's own comment.
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[User Picture]From: mrhappypizza
2003-08-31 08:14 am (UTC)

Another interesting pheromonenon

They should do a study with little kids watching kung fu movies and then see if they fight afterward. We always did. Play fighting was fun. Puppies fight. Are you(the article) making the claim that puppies are bad? If so, you are dumb. Puppies are not always bad. Except when they p(ee|oop) in the house.
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[User Picture]From: jcreed
2003-08-31 09:02 am (UTC)

Re: Another interesting pheromonenon

Science has revealed to me the following incontrovertible law of nature, expressed mathematically for greater precision and foolificationizability: "puppies = bad"
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[User Picture]From: mrhappypizza
2003-08-31 09:57 am (UTC)

Re: Another interesting pheromonenon

OMGSTFU!
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[User Picture]From: jcreed
2003-08-31 05:54 pm (UTC)

Re: Another interesting pheromonenon

βη-convertibility.
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[User Picture]From: nickjong
2003-08-31 08:53 am (UTC)
either they have a valid experiment, in which case it's a really significant result and the journalist in question has horribly botched describing it, or else it's a bigger tragedy that even scientists are still making such textbook mistakes

There's a third option, which I believe is the most common one: the researchers are aware that their study (not an experiment) does not reveal causation, but the journalist inflated their scarcely significant result into a story. Media reporting of scientific results is generally atrocious, at least in psychology.
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[User Picture]From: jcreed
2003-08-31 09:00 am (UTC)
Whoops, I meant to include that possibility.
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[User Picture]From: jcreed
2003-08-31 09:00 am (UTC)
Oh, and thanks for pointing out my error in calling it an experiment as well.
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[User Picture]From: shalifi
2003-08-31 09:29 am (UTC)
Yeah, it's like when people who drink a glass of wine a day live longer.

If you're the kind of person who likes to relax and sit with a glass of wine at the end of the day, I think that says a lot about you as a person, you're likely not going to be insanely stressed out, and you're not likely to be pounding beers and getting overweight. THAT is why you're going to live longer. Not the wine.
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[User Picture]From: ywong
2003-08-31 12:01 pm (UTC)
Why don't you write to the reporter?
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[User Picture]From: denorae
2003-08-31 03:13 pm (UTC)
ditto! or the "scientists", find out what they were really trying to do.
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[User Picture]From: jcreed
2003-08-31 04:51 pm (UTC)
Duh, I'm a theoretician; I don't change the world, I whine about it.
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From: lincoln3
2003-08-31 04:57 pm (UTC)
Sounds like you need to be pushed down the stairs.
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[User Picture]From: ywong
2003-08-31 05:59 pm (UTC)
Then can it, joelle_van_dyne.
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[User Picture]From: gustavolacerda
2003-09-01 04:22 am (UTC)
nice comment. I wish I could add it to my memories. (I can only add the whole thread)

But anyway, there is also the possibility that both PLAYING VIDEO GAMES and BEING VIOLENT follow from the same cause, but are otherwise independent. Such a cause might be EXCESS ENERGY or POOR CHANNELING OF ENERGY.

I tend to believe from observation that when my brother plays video games for too long, he gets more impatient, but I can't come up with an explaination.
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